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Super Fly Darchinyan Has No Need For Donaire
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Ricardo Lois
2/9/2009
 Unified super flyweight champion Vic Darchinyan punished Jorge Arce over eleven brutal rounds Saturday night before a stoppage and in my estimation can be crowned the King of the division. And while some hard core segments of the sport feel that there is unfinished business with flyweight champion Nonito Donaire after he knocked out Darchinyan back in July, 2007, "The Raging Bull" has surpassed Donaire in ability and more importantly in marketability.
Long before the ringside physician stopped the fight in the corner prior to the final round, Arce had learned a painful lesson which Christian Mijares and Dmitri Kirollov had learned before him, Vic is no longer the one dimensional seek and destroy fighter of prior years. Though Darchinyan's main arsenal against Arce was a hammer like left hand which landed straights, hooks, and uppercuts all night long, he now has enough wrinkles in his game to know when to hold, fight off a jab, and create defensive distance with his feet.
Donaire knocked Darchinyan's block, but is this relevant today? What have both fighters done since that particular fight? Darchinyan went up in weight and has fought five times. His record during the run is 4-0-1, the draw being a controversial one against Z Torres and two of the wins were against true world class opposition: Arce and Mijares. More impressively, very few fans or experts picked Darchinyan to defeat Mijares. Not only did then the technically gifted Mijares losr to Vic, he was knocked out in the ninth round. His destruction of Arce washes the nasty taste of the Donaire defeat out of Darchiyan's mouth, possibly for good.
As for Donaire, during the same period he has fought twice against marginal competition: Luis Maldonado and Moruti Mthalane. Shortly after the Maldonado fight, Donaire dumped promoter Gary Shaw (who also promotes Darchinyan) to join the ranks promoter Bob Arum. Seems as if Donaire has had better luck in creating controversy outside of the ring than securing a high profile fight. Arum sends Donaire off to fight Raul Martinez in the Philippines on March 22. So credit Donaire for a big knockout win, but status within boxing is not built on one fight.
If fight between Darchinyan and Donaire took place today, call me nuts, but I would have to make Darchinyan a betting favorite and for the record, Gary Shaw will not entertain a fight between his star Darchinyan and a man he considers an ingrate.
Revenge over Donaire would be nice and round out his fight resume, but Darchinyan will face-off against the opponent which will garner the biggest purse. Who would that be? My inner-magic eight ball tells me Darchinyan vs. Fernando Montiel is in our near future.
Montiel holds the World Boxing Organization's super flyweight belt and that is the only piece of the puzzle Darchinyan is missing for complete unification. In terms of match making, at his best Montiel is a boxer-puncher with above average power; Montiel vs. Darchinyan could be high drama and action filled. In terms of marketability, two of three best Mexican super flyweights have already been knocked out and Montiel would be the proud nation's last hope to derail Darchinyan.
So with all respect to Nonito, a splendid little fighter who has not been maneuvered into the bouts he deserves, King Super Fly does not need him to polish off his legacy.
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Reader Ratings:  (22) Votes. Vote.
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Fearless BONG |
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2/9/2009 |
Even how great Vic accomplished in his career if he will not fight Donaire for rematch, his shocking brutal KO lose will always be remebered and cannot be vanished everytime Vic will come out victorious in every fight he won.
I always remember how he looks when Nonito kill him with the one punch....
and still donaire is more superior than Vic in terms of skill, the style of Vic was tailor made for Nonito... and again if this two meets again... another brutal KO win again for Nonito...
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Jomarson_Topacio |
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2/9/2009 |
Ricardo, you know what's really going on right??
Even Vic himself told the world after the fight that he wants DONAIRE, i guess it's a matter of ego. Vic can't accept his defeat against a 3rd world country guy. Not only that, he got picked apart from the opening bell. donaire was more mobile and faster than him.
Like what Fredie Roach tells everyone, he knows something about OSCAR and Manny will take advantage of that. This is a same case, Donaire knew something about VIC, his Glass Jaw, his unpredictably predictable style, his go for broke what ever happen will happen style, the get killed or be killed style.
Vic is so hungry for a rematch but his Promoter doesn't wanna have that happening.. nah ah.. not with Gary, as long as your with him, you'll be as safe as a baby.
I applaud Gary for protecting Vic, that's a great move. He's a truly great promoter. At least PACMAN has the LAST say for whom he fights not BOB. But with GARY??? Come on... he will find tons of excuses to hide Vicky from the LION NONI..
Prove yourself VIC!
Great article Ricardo.. It shows your true color.. Keep it up man!! |
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philbox |
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2/9/2009 |
Darchi will be your betting favorite huh?!
The last time I checked. Darchi was the betting favorite when he fought Donaire. But Darchi got knocked down silly ending up with a bloodied nose. Damn right Darchi doesn't need a rematch. Funny!  |
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winmar |
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2/9/2009 |
| I agree with Fearless BONG. Darchi will never be the best fighter in his level unless he will beat Donaire. |
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BoxingStylez |
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2/9/2009 |
| Montiel is moving up to 118 to fight Morel for the vacant WBO title there. We'll see if Vic moves up to fight him. |
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delpilar |
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2/9/2009 |
sorry people, lois is just commiserating with shaw.
shaw is terrified of nonito can do to vic in a rematch. shaw has been around for so long, he knows that nonito is magnum 44, ready to blast the brains out of vic's head.
vic's hasn't really improved. that's why shaw can't feed to a hungry lion named nonito. |
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jakeameyers |
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2/9/2009 |
| I disagree my brutha. IMHO every fighter who wants to create a lasting legacy should attempt to avenge his defeats when it's possible and makes sense. Bottom line: Donaire and Darchinyan fight in the same division. Who cares if he's an ingrate or what they've done since they last fought? It's still a relevant fight and more importantly, one FANS want to see -- who gives a rat's ass about what a PROMOTER wants? |
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XBoxfan |
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2/9/2009 |
| WAKE UP "Rigordo" as MM refers you. Don't know exactly what kind of boxing scribes you are. It seems to me you have a very poor logic. i will tell you you're really a NUTS, Darchi a betting fav over Noni. Can you be objective enough? Do us favor please watch Noni vs Darchi Fight. |
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XBoxfan |
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2/9/2009 |
| One more thing Rigordo, you're talking marketability, do you really believe Vic vs Arce is Bigger than Noni vs Arce. Whomever you fair Vic and will fair Nonito to the same guy, the fight with Nonito will always be bigger. |
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filbrawler |
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2/9/2009 |
| I have admired this writer in his previoous articles especially when he views his comments regarding the politics of boxing and i became a fan but now logically i have second thought if he is really writing this article because he is inconsistent in his ideas and have done great damage in his credibility |
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XBoxfan |
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2/9/2009 |
| Darchinyan have a chance to prove to the world that he is the king of 115lbs. Fight and beat Nonito. Vic is not the Man of the 115lbs. Nonito is the Man. Everybody knows that. right Rigordo? |
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rugged man |
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2/9/2009 |
Ricardo,
You're views strictly from a marketing perspective seems logical. But then the reality on the ground is whether he likes it or not, Darchinyan will have to face Nonito Donaire to settle an old score, less he will be haunted by his defeat forever.
I also find this view quite ironic. When Manny won a squeaker from Marquez, everyone felt there should be a rematch. In this case, it appears, a lot of people, including you, believes a rematch is not in order. Why? What is true for Manny is not applicable to Darchinyan? |
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delpilar |
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2/9/2009 |
maybe ric believes that nonito totally annihilated darchi, therefore how in the hell can vic avenge himself?
pac-jmm is a close fight. jmm hit the floor several times but at least he never slept & could've won the fight if the judges were leaning toward the mexican or if the rounds were longer say it was a 15 round championship.
but vicky was raped in the fight with nonito. vicky was washed up in that fight. he couldn't pull the trigger. |
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darkguy |
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2/9/2009 |
| hahahahahahah.....are you kidding me ric? darchi was knock out cold by nonito!!! he nosedive in the mat with a bloodied nose...is this relevant? certainly it does man....LOL! being knock out cold is just like someone fucked your wife behind your back man....it haunts you forever man....if darchi thinks he doesnt need nonito, well nonito doesnt need him either...besides nonito is not the one who needs to prove anything because he already intoduce darchi to the canvass.... LOL!!!! |
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darkguy |
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2/9/2009 |
| RIC, YOU'RE JUST LIKE SHAW...AFRAID THAT DARCHI WOULD KISS THE CANVASS THE SECOD TIME AROUND......LOL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
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dimisuperman |
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2/9/2009 |
 are you kiddin us ricardo. . . you forgot that nonito's natural weight was super fly and he just went down to avenge his bro from vic. and he knows how to beat vic. . . i watched the vic z gorres here in the phils and nonito was the commentator and every shot nonito said against vic was right, really. he said how to counterpunch vic and how to move against vic which eventually z gorres doesn't know. . .
common stop kiddin us. vic, improved? i watched the fight and it he was still the same. nonito is a thinking boxer, vic just knows only to move forward. he was still the left hand trigger happy guy.
nonito is coming up in weight so let's see. vic will again not remember what will happen to him.
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rugged man |
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2/9/2009 |
All great fighters have settled or atleast try to settle old scores. We have Joe louis vs Max Schmeling; Ali-Frazier classic fights. Roberto Duran with his no mas, still fought Sugar Ray Leonard a third time to avenge or erase his humiliation. Even Barrera despite the beatings he received from Pacquiao had a rematch.
I guess it's not about losing or winning. But perhaps trying to prove something to oneself, if you can do it. Frankly speaking, Darchinyan has no choice but to fight Donaire. If he does not, then he will never be ranked among the great ones no matter what feat he accomplished. True, his promoter has the say in matching fights. But only a man has a say in his quest for greatness.
By the way, I am just wondering why Marquez never asked for rematch against Chris John, the boxer who took away his featherweight title. He is so obsessed with Pacquiao. Does anybody have the answer? |
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pepper |
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2/9/2009 |
| Darchi is super mosquito that scared to bite Nonito for a rematch. Win over other opponent/s will not erase Nonito's lefthook that koed Darchi that took him to a cracked head dance. |
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fisherb |
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2/10/2009 |
Lois Lane,
if i were Darchinyan, i would twist you and Marley's nose and ears sooo hard you'll cry "me want rematch". Why deprive Darchinyan of a life stirring undoer of that funniest of chicken dances? why!!! for business?!!!! granted it is for business sake, can we boxing promoters please do business without jeopardising the sport itself? enough of this hostage taking maneuvers by promoters. nd writers, please, please think, and think hard before you protect promoters interests.
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TsoPaeng |
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2/10/2009 |
| Ricardo Lois is either a genius or a dumb fuck. I think the second one but who cares. This article about Darchinyan and Donaire is a stupid analysis for both of their careers. I watched the fight this weekend and I am not convinced that Darchinyan's style has improved immensely. He has some defense in his style now but the main flaw is still there. Throwing those brick hands also shows his face to a counterpuncher like Donaire or Rafa if he wants to go up in bantamweight. He shows his face like peekaboo to a child every so often when trying to land his patented left bombs. Another thing about competition. Donaire is a victim of bad business in boxing. If you base boxing in marketability then you should join "Sack of Shit" Shaw in his promo. Your recent articles have been really bordering to nonsense and to tell you the truth, this one is no different. Now drumming up the possibility of a rematch will get you better ratings and maybe better discussions in the future. Other than that, your just a waste of Marley's web space. |
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litfer |
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2/10/2009 |
 MR. LOIS:
AS FAR AS DONAIRE IS CONCERNED, HE IS DONE WITH DARCHINYAN. IT IS DARCHINYAN WHO SHOULD CALL FOR THE REMATCH WITH HIS BALLS INTACT. WHO THE HELL IS GARY SHAW??? DONAIRE INGRATE, AS SHAW TAGS DONAIRE. SOURGRAPING FOR BEING DUMPED. HE GOT PAID AND HE GOT HIS DUE, SO WHY CALL A FORMER WARD WHO PAID AN INGRATE? DONAIRE DID THE RIGHT THING OF DUMPING A PROMOTER WHO CANT DO HIS JOB. DARCHINYAN IS THE SOLE CASH COW, NOT THE RAGING BULL,BUT THE RAGING COW OF SHAW. IF SHAW AGREES TO MATCH DARCHINYAN ONCE AGAIN WITH DONAIRE,HE WILL BE A DOUBLE STUPID, SINCE HE WAS A STUPID WHEN HE MADE THEIR 1ST MATCH. MR. LOIS, BET YOUR HOUSE,BET YOUR CAR,BET EVERYTHING YOU GOT TO THAT REMATCH IF EVER IT WOULD HAPPEN, AND I GUARANTEE YOU,YOU WILL LOSE EVERYTHING YOU GOT |
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| Name: |
Shadowboxing |
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2/13/2009 |
You got to be kidding me!! He wants a rematch but his promoter would not allow him to mix it up with an "ingrate"? Darchi should do what Noni did. Dump his promoter. He needs to face Noni again. Not only for his believers, but most importantly for himself. |
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